The three stooges were cross-dressers. read before you decide
Dear Pat (Dingo) Robertson,
Hope all is well with you. I am writing you concerning the first of your "three part series on homosexuality: dispelling the myths".
I am glad you at least put on a sugar coated patina of "loving concern" this time around and dropped the "homosexuals are Nazis and Satanists" sound bite, but your broadcast still very much angered me. You did not dispel a single myth, you spread them nationwide tonight like so much fertilizer. And you are doing two more just like this tomorrow and Thursday.
My father has always loved, supported and accepted me, Pat, EXCEPT for my sexual orientation. According to your obsolete notions, then, I ought to be heterosexual. Well, I'm not. The only way he could have been more accepting would be to drop his religion-based homophobia, and yet this is exactly what you do not want him to do.
You claim that "most" lesbians are lesbian because of sexual abuse by males. You threw out a figure like "29%" which is certainly not "most" by any standard. Does it ever occur to you, Pat, that one reason many lesbians are raped or abused by predatory men is that the man finds out the woman's sexual orientation and then threatens to tell everyone unless she goes along with his wishes? Others have raped lesbians claiming that they have a Godgiven imperative to "teach them how to be a woman". I had such a friend in Santa Barbara who was raped by an HIV positive straight man and died of AIDS in 1994. She is dead in part because of the myths spread by people like you.
Such antigay figures as Dr. Socarides and Phyllis Schlafly have gay children. How do you explain that? Were they bad parents? Then what business do they have telling other parents how to raise their children???? You insist that most homosexuals are unhappy because all the ones that called your counsellors said so. Does it occur to you that the ones who are well adjusted and accept themselves would not be calling your counselling lines in the first place? Hello???
Furthermore, does it ever occur to you that any homosexuals who are unhappy are that way not because it is pathological but because of the level of antigay persecution and sometimes the difficulty in meeting the "right person" from a small portion of the population than heterosexuals can choose from? Have you ever read studies that show that gays are happier in liberal big cities than in intolerant rural and small town places?
Your show's "refutations" of the gene studies were very weak. You commented on the fact that not all identical twins had the same sexual orientation as "proof" that it cannot be genetic. First of all, there is no way to prove some of the twins were not lying about their sexual orientation, and second, sexual orientation may also be influenced by in utero levels of hormone exposure. It's been found that human twins often receive disparate hormone exposure even if they are gestated at the same time. Experiments with lab mammals have found these exposures can permanently determine the animal's sexual orientation, and there may be some parallels to human development. It ain't just the genes, pal.
For someone so obsessed with other women's pregnancies and their right to decide on whether to terminate them, Pat, you certainly are ignorant about reproduction.
You also cited the fact that one study's author was gay, and that therefore the study had to be rejected as biased. Then you had Robert Knight of Family Research Council, an antigay group, comment. Why are "biased" sources discounted when they disagree with you and counted when they agree with you? You mentioned that the Hamer study was being investigated for fraud, but so is antigay researcher Paul Cameron, who was expelled for distorting the findings of other researchers and expelled by the APA in 1984. And what did you do, Pat? You had Mr. Cameron appear on the 700 Club as a "scientific expert on homosexuality". HA!
Your guest, Mr Davies of Exodus, claims he is proof that homosexuality is not permanent because he was attracted to men for a while and never acted on it. That is not coming out of homosexuality, Pat, that is called bisexuality. Look it up in the dictionary. The fact that not all people are gay or straight does not mean it is not hereditary, only that it may be a mix, much as hair color has a broad spectrum that is determined by genes.
I certainly felt bad for the woman featured tonight who said she grew up teased for her appearance and was never My arm was broken in seventh grade gym because a ninth grader had decided I was a "Faggot". I can only shudder to think what would have happened if he had actually known that for a fact. I also shudder to think what would have happened if I had succeeded in a 1984 suicide attempt that resulted in a two week hospital stay and extensive counselling, as a result of which I am now mentally healthy and productive. But, I still have scars on my left hand to remind me that this happens to lots of kids.
This is the kind of event that some schools are trying to stop by teaching students it is wrong to be hateful toward gay young people, and your followers, Pat, are the ones resisting that every step of the way.
Your story on this woman implied that she became a lesbian because of her loneliness and someone who "recruited" her by showing love and acceptance. Then, you talk about this fundamentalist woman who did the same thing, and cite this as "proof" that people can "come out of homosexuality". Pat, the two situations are the same thing. She was looking for love and she probably is still attracted to women. Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being celibate.
As documented by the APA, Exodus is a fraud that has left thousands of gay and lesbian people with huge bills and crushed psyches. Its male cofounders founders didn't even stay straight, they fell in love with each other and denounced the group. What a farce!
A Tennessee woman in your audience asked what her church should do about a gay man who had a sex change to female. She seemed very sincerely concerned. You visibly snickered. Gender reassignment surgery costs up to $30,000 dollars, Pat, and it is only allowed if the patient has extensive counselling first to make sure this drastic change is the right idea. This person was in a lot of pain if he went through all that to become a she, and what was your Christian response to that? You snickered and then said "I think this is such a small group of people that it doesn't really matter".
Well. I thought you believed "A person is a person is a person"? Gays and lesbians, according to you, are a small group of people, and yet you spend almost all your time obsessed with making their lives difficult. A lot of transgendered people are not gay to begin with. Please read some materials on this phenomenon. A Tennessee man in the audience then asked whether gays were really 10% of the population, and you claimed this was only found by fraudulent studies done by Kinsey. You said that "every study I've seen has shown that 2% of men and 1% of women are lesbians and that's it!" Pat, with people like you around encouraging hostility to gays and lesbians, did it occur to you that a lot of people surveyed probably lied that they were straight or refused to participate? Hello??
Even your "scientific" friend Dr Paul Cameron, who hates gays so much he has called for their extermination (see Koop's autobiography), puts the figure at 3% (TIME, Nov 15 1992). Your cohost, Terry Meeuwwsen, claimed PFLAG stood for "Parents Friends and *Lovers* of Gays". The LAG actually stands for Lesbians and Gays. You are that ignorant about a group that you are suing to stop ads that accurately patote your own hateful words?
Finally, you explicitly said that "sexual orientation" does not keep anyone from going to heaven, and that only if homosexuals are "in the promiscuous lifestyle" will they go to hell. The assumption here seems to be that homosexuals are either celibate or promiscuous, never monogamous. Have you ever read the Ninth Commandment that you keep trying to force public schools to display? Your confusion of the Koine Greek word for temple prostitute in Revelations with "homosexual" was a particularly poor bit of Biblical exgesis, but I digress.
Directly following your 9 pm broadcast, your Family Channel featured a THREE STOOGES short in which the Stooges dressed up as women. Now why, Pat, do you take the "abomination" thing about homosexuals so seriously and then feature crossdressing on your network, when Leviticus mention *both* as abominations?
It appears, Pat, that you really take your show, and the pain of people like the transgendered woman your audience mentioned, about as seriously as you take the Stooges. Shame on you. You are causing real pain and violence, Pat, and you need to STOP IT. NOW.
Pat Robertson concluded his three-part series tonight on the Family Channel about the "Myth" of homosexuality by declaring that, "The nightmare of AIDS is a consequence of a person's behavior." Once again, Pat hit hard on the theme that for one man to lie down with another is an abomination. He also made repeated reference to a transformation which he and his co-hosts described as "Coming out of homosexuality."
Videotaped footage of a gay man was shown. In the interview, the man stated, "I struggled with homosexuality for over ten years."
Pat said that "Prayer helped him overcome his attraction to men," but it was too late: "He died as a result of his homosexual behavior."
In-studio guest, Anita Worthen was brought out to give her testimony as to what it is like to be a Christian mother of a gay man. Her son, 31, has full-blown AIDS and according to her, "was led into the homosexual lifestyle by a guidance counselor. He was seduced and trapped by him. Not having a father figure around causes homosexuality," in her opinion. Her son had a lover of 10 years who died of AIDS. She said you can still show love to your children without showing them approval." [Love without affirmation? I don't think so.] "Homosexuality causes parents to go through shame...guilt..."
Later, Anita married one of the founders of Exodus (a "de-gaying support group" which uses fear and coercion to brainwash homosexuals into a twisted brand of Christianity). Her own husband was homosexual until he was forty-something. They married when he was 55. Pat asked her what was going through her mind when she married him, "knowing he had been a homosexual," and she responded, "Sex isn't a big thing for women." She said they just cuddle.
Pat actually said that sexual preference is going to go away with age. "Then, what happens with your spirit?" he asked, rhetorically.
Pat said hundreds of people have been calling in to the 700 Club the past couple of days who want out of homosexuality. "Many of them are depressed and suicidal because of it." He urged viewers in this situation to call his ministry by saying, "If you want to be free, I want you to call, right now."
A person wrote in a question to Pat Robertson that was read on the air to ask if they should attend their brother's gay wedding. Pat answered, "I don't think so. I think showing up to that wedding would be putting your stamp of approval on it. Tell your brother, 'I think it's wrong and I just can't go along with this stuff.'"
Dr. Robertson also explained that the concept that God is a God of Love is misunderstood. "He's also a God of Wrath. Read Deuteronomy. When Moses is speaking... 'You shall love the Lord your God and fear the Lord your God. God is a consuming fire.' He sets standards for human beings." Pat used adultery as an example.
Also in Pat Robertson's own words:
"Homosexuality is not loving, it's lust. And whether or not YOU think it's love is tough luck."
"I think we are destroyed when we have this Council of Rabbis and Churches, which says that we have to acknowledge this so-called loving relationship. God says, 'I don't recognize it.'" Pat rationalized his tone by declaring, "This isn't harsh, we LOVE people."
"Homosexuality is bringing terrible disease to the world, not just AIDS - Intestinal disease, and various other types of so-called STDs, we have an epidemic of STDs," Pat also said.
In response to another alleged viewer question, Pat said that effeminate mannerisms will go away if a person comes out of homosexuality. "Effeminate mannerisms are learned." Co-host, Terry Meeuwwsen also observed, "a man carries himself a certain way."
Perhaps the only humor in the program came when Pat referred to a previous segment in the series that highlighted a transsexual. "[She] was gorgeous, with the makeup and everything. Still a good-looking man, even though he was now a woman. He drew my attention." Pat seemed disoriented and slightly confused as he squirmed in his seat.
Pat and his co-hosts compared homosexuality to alcoholism and drug addiction.
He also complained that P-FLAG was accusing him of causing teen depression and suicides. He lamented, "I'm just trying to tell the loving truth of the Gospel. If people feel guilty, it's because they feel that way for not following the laws of God. They hate what they're doing and not sure how they can get out of it."
Pat said, "That's no reason to go to the Gay Parade in San Francisco and blaze out."
I DIDN'T MEAN TO WRITE SO MUCH, IT IS JUST ALL PENT UP INSIDE ME.
THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT I CAN TAKE.
IT DOESN'T HELP THAT MY PARENTS WERE HARD WORKING, BUT UNDOCUMENTED, W-O-R-K-E-R-S and you keep ragging on such fine people that have made this country what it is.
You would like me if you met me. Maybe I'll come by and we can share a couple of beers and a couple of weiners -- you know I mean the kind that go in beteeen the buns. That's just a little gay humor> Don't go all limp big boy. You won't turn all gay and start singing show tunes if we hang out together.
But I do wonder what is going on. You post a lot of gay pictures. Maybe you're a little curious about us. I could be your gay friend and give you some insight into our world. It doesn't mean you have to partake. It is all about choices. :)
Dear Brownhole, we don't have a problem with gays, our problem is they want the same rights as a normal male/female marriage. This will not work, because the two of them be it male/male or female/female,they cannot reproduce children! Or sure they can adopt but that is not reproducing, they can also artificially inseminate but that to is not reproducing between the two of them! Stop crying about it and stop trying to say its as normal as male/female its not! Life started with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Bruce or Sally and Sue! Be who you are and don't try to push what you do as a normal relationship ITS NOT! No one has ever gotten pregnent from oral or anal sex, and no one has gotten pregnent from a strap-on. Lets be real people, and if some day they decide to let you marry, don't expect the same rights as a male/female marriage, and you should not be allowed to even adopt children, all that will do is hurt the child. Do you remember how you were treated as a child for being gay? Well do you want that for your child, to have other children teasing them about being gay or about the're gay parents, it wrong to subject kids to that. I beleave you could love a child just as much as a straight couple, but your not and thats what hurts the children. So think of them and not yourselfs, be who you are, and except the fact its not a normal relationship you'll find people to be more kind than if you try to push it as being normal.
So, Brownhole, just why was that directed at me? BENEATH each post is the name of who posted. Dingo, Murphy, Puttzle and drralph are all different people. You might want to check that. Also, Although I'm politically right of center, I think Pat Robertson is a 100% insane lunatic ASSHOLE! I couldn't give a rats ass as to what anyone does behind closed doors as long as all parties are willing.
Ding-O: I wrote to you, Ding-O, cuz you the top dog. It is you posting the gay pictures, oui?
Mo: I'm totally OUT of the closet, baby, and there to stay.
Closed minded: Gays are already adopting. What harm is their marrying . . . the pillars of your church temples are going to shatter? Your God is going to punish you becuase of who I have sex with? What kind of screwed up religion is that? Are you in favor of killing Danish cartoonists who draw cartoons of your God too? You are going to be punsihed for what your God says are MY sins because of my free will? I think not. Your punishment will be for H-A-T-I-N-G, either in your suffering here on earth or in whatever after life you believe in.
Brownhole....Some of the pictures are posted by me some are not. Check the posting name. If you think they're gay, then thats your interpretation. (Although that kissing one Murphy posted WAS gay!) I usually post pictures that are beach or San Onofre related. Sometimes they're topical as when the illegal aliens were the top story. We also pick on each other here, all in good fun. Thanks for calling me the top dog although that title must go to Puttzle as he started this blog!
Ones sexual preference and political views are up to them, but also subject to ridicule as are mine. No one goes unscathed.
Thats right brownhole, avoid the real issue! The question was asked and you couldn't answer so you avoid it just like all the rest who think they should get what they want no matter who it hurts, can't you see how the WORLD is reacting to all your crying! You have people laughing where before they might have said nothing as long as you didn't flaunt your or try and push your sexual preference on them. Give it up or this could be YOUR Waterloo!
It is difficult to address "the real issue" since you connect, in your post, unrelated points to reach an unsupported conclusion.
I see the issue as your hatred of gays, which is often really a hatred of oneself. Perhaps it is your childhood that you should explore and not mine.
You start out with "We don't have a problem with gays, our problem is they want the same rights as a normal" people.
Gays are born the way they are. They are not abnormal.
Or by normal, do you mean the "majority" of people? You probably don't, but let's leave that for a moment. It is more likely that you mean that gays are not like you. Lots of people are not like you. That doesn't make them abnormal.
But as for the "majority" of people, most are not like you. They are not white. Whites are a minority in this world, and hence, by your standards, not normal. Now, if you are Asian, then indeed, you are "normal." Under your approach, only Asians would have the rights of "normal people."
And as to Asians, the majority, hence the "normal people," are Chinese. So if you are not Chinese, you are not normal, and should not be allowed the rights you seek to deny gays because, they too, are not the majority.
So, faced with this logic, you now see the wrongfulness of your thinking, you see the hatred in your own mind, and you will consciously turn over a new leaf and embrase your gay neighors, right?
Of course not. Racists don't give up hating any more than you will give up hating gays. Do you hate Jews because you think that they will cheat you in a deal, or because they killed your Lord? Or hate Mexicans because you think that they are lazy? Or the drunken Irish? Or the goose-stepping Germans? Or the snooty French? Or the dirty Jappers? Or the promisquous Negros? Or the lazy Indians? Or the greasy I-talians?
You are a prisoner of your own mind. If you have not exercised your mind enough by now, and you do not yourself change, there is no answer to any question, or any issue I can address, that will matter to you. You are set in your ways unless you choose otherwise.
Tomorrow, when the gay firefighter saves you from your burning home, or the gay politician votes to save your precious beach from a toll road, or the gay cop pulls over the drunk driver that would have killed you or your family, smile and thank them afterwards and then quietly, in your mind, sit satisfied that they do not deserve the same rights as you because you are "normal."
Brownhole, perhaps you should read more, you would find that studies have found that people are NOT born gay. They are gay because they have suffered some type of sexual abuse during their child hood. There are no gay gene's running around in our bodies! You can talk till your blue in the face, but all you do and say makes you look foolish.
Did this all start with a great looking leg in a very sexy looking high heel steping on an egg? All right brownhole you are gay, I'm not. Go ahead save a life, pass a bill, arrest a crook. But keep sex out of it. You still have a dick, don't you. Brownhole?
Hey! brownwhole! I'm not worried about a fire because I know that a FEMALE firefighter will rescue me! Did you have a mother and a father? Or did you just drop out of the sky? Where would the human race be without male/female relationships? Try to populate the world without it, there would be no people only brownholes!
Just to set the records straight, the reason some people become gay is that there is a hormonal embalance during the growth of the fetus, this is not normal so they are wrong in saying they are normal just because they feel they are born gay! An embalance means theres something wrong, its not normal.
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It's Dingo, Murphy and Puttzle!
The three stooges were cross-dressers. read before you decide
Dear Pat (Dingo) Robertson,
Hope all is well with you. I am writing you concerning the first of your "three part series on homosexuality: dispelling the myths".
I am glad you at least put on a sugar coated patina of "loving concern" this time around and dropped the "homosexuals are Nazis and Satanists" sound bite, but your broadcast still very much angered me. You did not dispel a single myth, you spread them nationwide tonight like so much fertilizer. And you are doing two more just like this tomorrow and Thursday.
My father has always loved, supported and accepted me, Pat, EXCEPT for my sexual orientation. According to your obsolete notions, then, I ought to be heterosexual. Well, I'm not. The only way he could have been more accepting would be to drop his religion-based homophobia, and yet this is exactly what you do not want him to do.
You claim that "most" lesbians are lesbian because of sexual abuse by males. You threw out a figure like "29%" which is certainly not "most" by any standard. Does it ever occur to you, Pat, that one reason many lesbians are raped or abused by predatory men is that the man finds out the woman's sexual orientation and then threatens to tell everyone unless she goes along with his wishes? Others have raped lesbians claiming that they have a Godgiven imperative to "teach them how to be a woman". I had such a friend in Santa Barbara who was raped by an HIV positive straight man and died of AIDS in 1994. She is dead in part because of the myths spread by people like you.
Such antigay figures as Dr. Socarides and Phyllis Schlafly have gay children. How do you explain that? Were they bad parents? Then what business do they have telling other parents how to raise their children???? You insist that most homosexuals are unhappy because all the ones that called your counsellors said so. Does it occur to you that the ones who are well adjusted and accept themselves would not be calling your counselling lines in the first place? Hello???
Furthermore, does it ever occur to you that any homosexuals who are unhappy are that way not because it is pathological but because of the level of antigay persecution and sometimes the difficulty in meeting the "right person" from a small portion of the population than heterosexuals can choose from? Have you ever read studies that show that gays are happier in liberal big cities than in intolerant rural and small town places?
Your show's "refutations" of the gene studies were very weak. You commented on the fact that not all identical twins had the same sexual orientation as "proof" that it cannot be genetic. First of all, there is no way to prove some of the twins were not lying about their sexual orientation, and second, sexual orientation may also be influenced by in utero levels of hormone exposure. It's been found that human twins often receive disparate hormone exposure even if they are gestated at the same time. Experiments with lab mammals have found these exposures can permanently determine the animal's sexual orientation, and there may be some parallels to human development. It ain't just the genes, pal.
For someone so obsessed with other women's pregnancies and their right to decide on whether to terminate them, Pat, you certainly are ignorant about reproduction.
You also cited the fact that one study's author was gay, and that therefore the study had to be rejected as biased. Then you had Robert Knight of Family Research Council, an antigay group, comment. Why are "biased" sources discounted when they disagree with you and counted when they agree with you? You mentioned that the Hamer study was being investigated for fraud, but so is antigay researcher Paul Cameron, who was expelled for distorting the findings of other researchers and expelled by the APA in 1984. And what did you do, Pat? You had Mr. Cameron appear on the 700 Club as a "scientific expert on homosexuality". HA!
Your guest, Mr Davies of Exodus, claims he is proof that homosexuality is not permanent because he was attracted to men for a while and never acted on it. That is not coming out of homosexuality, Pat, that is called bisexuality. Look it up in the dictionary. The fact that not all people are gay or straight does not mean it is not hereditary, only that it may be a mix, much as hair color has a broad spectrum that is determined by genes.
I certainly felt bad for the woman featured tonight who said she grew up teased for her appearance and was never My arm was broken in seventh grade gym because a ninth grader had decided I was a "Faggot". I can only shudder to think what would have happened if he had actually known that for a fact. I also shudder to think what would have happened if I had succeeded in a 1984 suicide attempt that resulted in a two week hospital stay and extensive counselling, as a result of which I am now mentally healthy and productive. But, I still have scars on my left hand to remind me that this happens to lots of kids.
This is the kind of event that some schools are trying to stop by teaching students it is wrong to be hateful toward gay young people, and your followers, Pat, are the ones resisting that every step of the way.
Your story on this woman implied that she became a lesbian because of her loneliness and someone who "recruited" her by showing love and acceptance. Then, you talk about this fundamentalist woman who did the same thing, and cite this as "proof" that people can "come out of homosexuality". Pat, the two situations are the same thing. She was looking for love and she probably is still attracted to women. Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with her being celibate.
As documented by the APA, Exodus is a fraud that has left thousands of gay and lesbian people with huge bills and crushed psyches. Its male cofounders founders didn't even stay straight, they fell in love with each other and denounced the group. What a farce!
A Tennessee woman in your audience asked what her church should do about a gay man who had a sex change to female. She seemed very sincerely concerned. You visibly snickered. Gender reassignment surgery costs up to $30,000 dollars, Pat, and it is only allowed if the patient has extensive counselling first to make sure this drastic change is the right idea. This person was in a lot of pain if he went through all that to become a she, and what was your Christian response to that? You snickered and then said "I think this is such a small group of people that it doesn't really matter".
Well. I thought you believed "A person is a person is a person"? Gays and lesbians, according to you, are a small group of people, and yet you spend almost all your time obsessed with making their lives difficult. A lot of transgendered people are not gay to begin with. Please read some materials on this phenomenon. A Tennessee man in the audience then asked whether gays were really 10% of the population, and you claimed this was only found by fraudulent studies done by Kinsey. You said that "every study I've seen has shown that 2% of men and 1% of women are lesbians and that's it!" Pat, with people like you around encouraging hostility to gays and lesbians, did it occur to you that a lot of people surveyed probably lied that they were straight or refused to participate? Hello??
Even your "scientific" friend Dr Paul Cameron, who hates gays so much he has called for their extermination (see Koop's autobiography), puts the figure at 3% (TIME, Nov 15 1992). Your cohost, Terry Meeuwwsen, claimed PFLAG stood for "Parents Friends and *Lovers* of Gays". The LAG actually stands for Lesbians and Gays. You are that ignorant about a group that you are suing to stop ads that accurately patote your own hateful words?
Finally, you explicitly said that "sexual orientation" does not keep anyone from going to heaven, and that only if homosexuals are "in the promiscuous lifestyle" will they go to hell. The assumption here seems to be that homosexuals are either celibate or promiscuous, never monogamous. Have you ever read the Ninth Commandment that you keep trying to force public schools to display? Your confusion of the Koine Greek word for temple prostitute in Revelations with "homosexual" was a particularly poor bit of Biblical exgesis, but I digress.
Directly following your 9 pm broadcast, your Family Channel featured a THREE STOOGES short in which the Stooges dressed up as women. Now why, Pat, do you take the "abomination" thing about homosexuals so seriously and then feature crossdressing on your network, when Leviticus mention *both* as abominations?
It appears, Pat, that you really take your show, and the pain of people like the transgendered woman your audience mentioned, about as seriously as you take the Stooges. Shame on you. You are causing real pain and violence, Pat, and you need to STOP IT. NOW.
Pat Robertson concluded his three-part series tonight on the Family Channel about the "Myth" of homosexuality by declaring that, "The nightmare of AIDS is a consequence of a person's behavior." Once again, Pat hit hard on the theme that for one man to lie down with another is an abomination. He also made repeated reference to a transformation which he and his co-hosts described as "Coming out of homosexuality."
Videotaped footage of a gay man was shown. In the interview, the man stated, "I struggled with homosexuality for over ten years."
Pat said that "Prayer helped him overcome his attraction to men," but it was too late: "He died as a result of his homosexual behavior."
In-studio guest, Anita Worthen was brought out to give her testimony as to what it is like to be a Christian mother of a gay man. Her son, 31, has full-blown AIDS and according to her, "was led into the homosexual lifestyle by a guidance counselor. He was seduced and trapped by him. Not having a father figure around causes homosexuality," in her opinion. Her son had a lover of 10 years who died of AIDS. She said you can still show love to your children without showing them approval." [Love without affirmation? I don't think so.] "Homosexuality causes parents to go through shame...guilt..."
Later, Anita married one of the founders of Exodus (a "de-gaying support group" which uses fear and coercion to brainwash homosexuals into a twisted brand of Christianity). Her own husband was homosexual until he was forty-something. They married when he was 55. Pat asked her what was going through her mind when she married him, "knowing he had been a homosexual," and she responded, "Sex isn't a big thing for women." She said they just cuddle.
Pat actually said that sexual preference is going to go away with age. "Then, what happens with your spirit?" he asked, rhetorically.
Pat said hundreds of people have been calling in to the 700 Club the past couple of days who want out of homosexuality. "Many of them are depressed and suicidal because of it." He urged viewers in this situation to call his ministry by saying, "If you want to be free, I want you to call, right now."
A person wrote in a question to Pat Robertson that was read on the air to ask if they should attend their brother's gay wedding. Pat answered, "I don't think so. I think showing up to that wedding would be putting your stamp of approval on it. Tell your brother, 'I think it's wrong and I just can't go along with this stuff.'"
Dr. Robertson also explained that the concept that God is a God of Love is misunderstood. "He's also a God of Wrath. Read Deuteronomy. When Moses is speaking... 'You shall love the Lord your God and fear the Lord your God. God is a consuming fire.' He sets standards for human beings." Pat used adultery as an example.
Also in Pat Robertson's own words:
"Homosexuality is not loving, it's lust. And whether or not YOU think it's love is tough luck."
"I think we are destroyed when we have this Council of Rabbis and Churches, which says that we have to acknowledge this so-called loving relationship. God says, 'I don't recognize it.'" Pat rationalized his tone by declaring, "This isn't harsh, we LOVE people."
"Homosexuality is bringing terrible disease to the world, not just AIDS - Intestinal disease, and various other types of so-called STDs, we have an epidemic of STDs," Pat also said.
In response to another alleged viewer question, Pat said that effeminate mannerisms will go away if a person comes out of homosexuality. "Effeminate mannerisms are learned." Co-host, Terry Meeuwwsen also observed, "a man carries himself a certain way."
Perhaps the only humor in the program came when Pat referred to a previous segment in the series that highlighted a transsexual. "[She] was gorgeous, with the makeup and everything. Still a good-looking man, even though he was now a woman. He drew my attention." Pat seemed disoriented and slightly confused as he squirmed in his seat.
Pat and his co-hosts compared homosexuality to alcoholism and drug addiction.
He also complained that P-FLAG was accusing him of causing teen depression and suicides. He lamented, "I'm just trying to tell the loving truth of the Gospel. If people feel guilty, it's because they feel that way for not following the laws of God. They hate what they're doing and not sure how they can get out of it."
Pat said, "That's no reason to go to the Gay Parade in San Francisco and blaze out."
I DIDN'T MEAN TO WRITE SO MUCH, IT IS JUST ALL PENT UP INSIDE ME.
THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT I CAN TAKE.
IT DOESN'T HELP THAT MY PARENTS WERE HARD WORKING, BUT UNDOCUMENTED, W-O-R-K-E-R-S and you keep ragging on such fine people that have made this country what it is.
You would like me if you met me. Maybe I'll come by and we can share a couple of beers and a couple of weiners -- you know I mean the kind that go in beteeen the buns. That's just a little gay humor> Don't go all limp big boy. You won't turn all gay and start singing show tunes if we hang out together.
But I do wonder what is going on. You post a lot of gay pictures. Maybe you're a little curious about us. I could be your gay friend and give you some insight into our world. It doesn't mean you have to partake. It is all about choices. :)
Look what you started, Dr. Ralph...not that there's anything wrong with that...
Dear Brownhole, we don't have a problem with gays, our problem is they want the same rights as a normal male/female marriage. This will not work, because the two of them be it male/male or female/female,they cannot reproduce children! Or sure they can adopt but that is not reproducing, they can also artificially inseminate but that to is not reproducing between the two of them! Stop crying about it and stop trying to say its as normal as male/female its not! Life started with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Bruce or Sally and Sue! Be who you are and don't try to push what you do as a normal relationship ITS NOT! No one has ever gotten pregnent from oral or anal sex, and no one has gotten pregnent from a strap-on. Lets be real people, and if some day they decide to let you marry, don't expect the same rights as a male/female marriage, and you should not be allowed to even adopt children, all that will do is hurt the child. Do you remember how you were treated as a child for being gay? Well do you want that for your child, to have other children teasing them about being gay or about the're gay parents, it wrong to subject kids to that. I beleave you could love a child just as much as a straight couple, but your not and thats what hurts the children. So think of them and not yourselfs, be who you are, and except the fact its not a normal relationship you'll find people to be more kind than if you try to push it as being normal.
Yup.
So, Brownhole, just why was that directed at me? BENEATH each post is the name of who posted. Dingo, Murphy, Puttzle and drralph are all different people. You might want to check that. Also, Although I'm politically right of center, I think Pat Robertson is a 100% insane lunatic ASSHOLE! I couldn't give a rats ass as to what anyone does behind closed doors as long as all parties are willing.
YIKES!!!!!!!
Hey brown, get back in the closet.
Ding-O: I wrote to you, Ding-O, cuz you the top dog. It is you posting the gay pictures, oui?
Mo: I'm totally OUT of the closet, baby, and there to stay.
Closed minded: Gays are already adopting. What harm is their marrying . . . the pillars of your church temples are going to shatter? Your God is going to punish you becuase of who I have sex with? What kind of screwed up religion is that? Are you in favor of killing Danish cartoonists who draw cartoons of your God too? You are going to be punsihed for what your God says are MY sins because of my free will? I think not. Your punishment will be for H-A-T-I-N-G, either in your suffering here on earth or in whatever after life you believe in.
Calm down, Brown. This blog is just about kibitzing not harassing. Yoy don't sound very happy.
Brownhole....Some of the pictures are posted by me some are not. Check the posting name. If you think they're gay, then thats your interpretation. (Although that kissing one Murphy posted WAS gay!) I usually post pictures that are beach or San Onofre related. Sometimes they're topical as when the illegal aliens were the top story. We also pick on each other here, all in good fun. Thanks for calling me the top dog although that title must go to Puttzle as he started this blog!
Ones sexual preference and political views are up to them, but also subject to ridicule as are mine. No one goes unscathed.
HEY BROWNIE, WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU!
Thats right brownhole, avoid the real issue! The question was asked and you couldn't answer so you avoid it just like all the rest who think they should get what they want no matter who it hurts, can't you see how the WORLD is reacting to all your crying! You have people laughing where before they might have said nothing as long as you didn't flaunt your or try and push your sexual preference on them. Give it up or this could be YOUR Waterloo!
It is difficult to address "the real issue" since you connect, in your post, unrelated points to reach an unsupported conclusion.
I see the issue as your hatred of gays, which is often really a hatred of oneself. Perhaps it is your childhood that you should explore and not mine.
You start out with "We don't have a problem with gays, our problem is they want the same rights as a normal" people.
Gays are born the way they are. They are not abnormal.
Or by normal, do you mean the "majority" of people? You probably don't, but let's leave that for a moment. It is more likely that you mean that gays are not like you. Lots of people are not like you. That doesn't make them abnormal.
But as for the "majority" of people, most are not like you. They are not white. Whites are a minority in this world, and hence, by your standards, not normal. Now, if you are Asian, then indeed, you are "normal." Under your approach, only Asians would have the rights of "normal people."
And as to Asians, the majority, hence the "normal people," are Chinese. So if you are not Chinese, you are not normal, and should not be allowed the rights you seek to deny gays because, they too, are not the majority.
So, faced with this logic, you now see the wrongfulness of your thinking, you see the hatred in your own mind, and you will consciously turn over a new leaf and embrase your gay neighors, right?
Of course not. Racists don't give up hating any more than you will give up hating gays. Do you hate Jews because you think that they will cheat you in a deal, or because they killed your Lord? Or hate Mexicans because you think that they are lazy? Or the drunken Irish? Or the goose-stepping Germans? Or the snooty French? Or the dirty Jappers? Or the promisquous Negros? Or the lazy Indians? Or the greasy I-talians?
You are a prisoner of your own mind. If you have not exercised your mind enough by now, and you do not yourself change, there is no answer to any question, or any issue I can address, that will matter to you. You are set in your ways unless you choose otherwise.
Tomorrow, when the gay firefighter saves you from your burning home, or the gay politician votes to save your precious beach from a toll road, or the gay cop pulls over the drunk driver that would have killed you or your family, smile and thank them afterwards and then quietly, in your mind, sit satisfied that they do not deserve the same rights as you because you are "normal."
. . . and they are not
Oh no, there are gay firefighters?!?!? Who would have thunk.
Now we got some good controversy and passion here! It only took about 2 years! Anyone else want to jump in?
it is all true.
I'll jump in.
Could someone please post a fat chick so that when she sings, this will finally be over.
Brownhole, perhaps you should read more, you would find that studies have found that people are NOT born gay. They are gay because they have suffered some type of sexual abuse during their child hood. There are no gay gene's running around in our bodies! You can talk till your blue in the face, but all you do and say makes you look foolish.
Maybe brownwhole is looking for some gay illegal to come and rescue him?
Did this all start with a great looking leg in a very sexy looking high heel steping on an egg? All right brownhole you are gay, I'm not. Go ahead save a life, pass a bill, arrest a crook. But keep sex out of it. You still have a dick, don't you. Brownhole?
"RIGHT-ON DOC"!
Hey! brownwhole! I'm not worried about a fire because I know that a FEMALE firefighter will rescue me! Did you have a mother and a father? Or did you just drop out of the sky? Where would the human race be without male/female relationships? Try to populate the world without it, there would be no people only brownholes!
Just to set the records straight, the reason some people become gay is that there is a hormonal embalance during the growth of the fetus, this is not normal so they are wrong in saying they are normal just because they feel they are born gay! An embalance means theres something wrong, its not normal.
I am completely convinced of your position. Tomorrow I will awaken normal.
I don't know where I'll find a woman, becuase both of the firefighters I know are lesbians.
Good one, brownholio.
Brownhole, if I had a hormonal embalance and woke up gay, I think I would like to date you.
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